[10/4/15 UPDATE]: Moved discussion about depth to seed peas to --update: 8/23/15 on post of 5/24/15.
[10/8/14 UPDATE]: Added a pic and narrative to the seed delivery system.
[8/21 UPDATE]: We mounted a Bourgault transmission on each OmniSeed drive. They give us plenty of reduction for the small seed at low rates. The Bourgault is an interesting design. The input shaft can be turned in either direction, or back and forth, but the output shaft only advances in one direction. There is some sort of ratchet mechanism involved, and you can see that action at low output rpm. With the Omni hydraulic motor range of 0-150 rpm (0-1.5 gpm), the chosen sprocket ratio of 12/40 between transmission and seed roll, and the Bourgault transmission settings that range from 5-100%, we get a seed roll rpm that varies from a high of 45 revolutions per minute to a low of 6 minutes per revolution. Because the Omni motors become erratic near 1rpm do to low oil flow and pressure, we have arbitrarily chosen to not operate the motors below 30rpm. It appears that at 30rpm the motors provide sufficient torque for smooth operation under varying loads applied to the rolls. If we need to go slower we may be able to go down to 20rpm (???).
5/20/14 UPDATE: We are very pleased with the drill. It is heavier than I desired though, tipping the scale at ≈24,000 pounds without commodity. It placed the seed properly in the varied conditions presented to us this spring, whether heavy or no residue existed. Changes, settings, adjustments and repairs were accomplished with relative ease do to the designed access of the major components. Fertilizer over-run was quite good at ≈5%. Seed over-run was ≈ 15%. The drill design included fertilizer being divided into three sections across the width of the drill. The seed is full width. The scale mounted to the seed box made for easy calibration of seed rate. Not all is perfect though. The scrapers designed for the unit tend to promote opener plugs causing drags. Removing the scrapers can lead to seed being brought back to the surface with soil sticking to the disc. We had little or no issue west of St. John; however, at Thornton, in the heavier soils, in places we left some on the surface. What to do????
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It has taken four months, but our new drill is finally in the field. The basic drill frame design went relatively quick and smooth. The fitting and finishing took a long time. We cut, drilled, ground, welded, painted, and plumbed and replumbed three days into our seeding. We will continue to make changes probably for most of the year. The pivots for the openers are left for later installation and also an ultra low seed metering device. The metering device is for winter canola, and other crops with small seed and low planting rates. The pivots will probably be another winters project.
Design Features:
Basic design size was calculated to fit our tractor which weighs around 39k and has 400hp. After much indecision over 8,10 or 12 inch spacing, we finally decided on 10" centers for the opener spacing on the basic cross-slot concept of a low frame, with two tool bars. We have 28 openers for a total width of 23.3'. The drill folds to a transport width of fourteen feet. The commodity pak is designed to drill out ≈25acres per fill of wheat or barley. The N tank will be the limiting factor in most cropping scenarios. We fill every hopper every stop. We use frame weight for opener penetration and not commodity weight.
The drill has the capability of:
---the openers came to us set up for applying dry fertilizer which is a different blade than one used for liquid. We run two different lengths of blades allowing us to place the deep band fertilizer ≈1" lower than the seed. As it turns out, we will be able to add more versatility to our seeding. Some culivars like peas and garbs do better when they are planted around 3-4 inches. By switching our seed tubes to the long blade we can reach those depths.
---two liquid fertilizer products. The main nitrogen source has a 1500g capacity. The second solution tank that will apply nutrients with the seed has a capacity of 400g. The solution tank has one manifold that is orficed for 7-10gpa and will carry the starter nutrient package. The main tank has two manifolds, each with a different orifice size to provide a wide range of application. They work in combination, and the design range is 30-100gpa without physically changing orfices. The rate is controled through the Viper 4 console. The drill is divided across into three sections (left, middle, right), and controlled (on/off) by the Viper to minimize over run of the fertilizer.
---the low profile, two rank toolbar on a narrow longitudinal frame member width (1.5") allows for easy access to service the openers and an even spacing of the openers (most direct seed drills have frame members that interfere with the preferred row spacing, so end up with uneven spacing). It took a lot of time in a trial and error process, but the design also allowed us to manage all of the hoses and tubing so that it looks clean and neat and accessible. A difficult task with 500 feet of seed (air)hose, 2200 feet of quarter inch tubing, and several hundred feet of hydraulic hoses. The seed tubes are hung on spring tensioned chains so that they don't have loops or sags that encourage seed blockage. The negative aspect to this design is the wide toolbar spacing from front to rear. To avoid compromising some of the features designed into the opener, the drill needs to be run on an AB line. Contouring our hills will leave the seed slot open in places. My hope is that when we get the pivots on the openers we can contour the hills without compromising the opener technology. To mitigate the problem associated with the openers being able to pivot, we have included a swinging hitch to shift the pull point of the drill. We have used this concept successfully on a cultivator many years ago and hope the principle will work similar with the drill. Currently, the Viper 4 is not capable of holding the line in auto steer with a swinging hitch, so use of this feature will require steering manually. (In 2015, we understand the Viper will compensate for a swinging hitch.)
---the drill design includes cylinders mounted on the hitch to tilt the frame fore and aft to change the angle that the wing on the opener blade enters the ground. The wing is normally set with the leading edge at 5 degrees down with the frame parallel to the ground, but it can be run with an angle of 1 degree. This feature doesn't have much meaning for us in the Palouse Hills. The wing angle changes frequently as we drill through dips and valleys associated with our topography. There is one intriguing thought that flits through my mind ----could Raven's Auto Boom be employed to hold the tool bars parallel with the ground?
---the commodity pak (white) is a unit to itself, and can be removed from the main frame. These tanks will likely be replaced in a few years. Each tank has it's separate frame that can be modified for a new unit.
---the main frame axle was designed for some height adjustment. The frame can to lowered a half inch or raised a couple of inches to accommodate minor adjustment for preferred opener height. The spindle capacity is 20k each and the low profile floatation tire has a capacity of around 20k at field speed. This will turn out to be marginal as our weight could get to 50k for fall seeding. We are not expecting any problems. As, with our old drill, we will move the drill with the wings down and under pressure to transfer weight off the main frame axle/tires. The advantage we gained by this low profile tire was the ability to position our air delivery tubes to minimize blockage. I've spent a lot of time fighting that problem with our old drill.
---these drills are heavy. The openers are designed for approximately 1100 pounds each. Disc's, unlike hoes, take a lot of weight to force them into hard ground. The result is that for spring planting they can compact wet soil. We have designed this drill frame to be "relatively" light (≈18k, oops, it came out at 24K) for spring work and then weight it up to about 28k for fall work by adding 7x7 box tubing into the 8x8 frame tubes. We have left all the 8x8's open to receive weight whether it is the main frame or the wings. Filling the 7x7's with concrete is by far the cheapest, but it is also the lightest. Filling and capping the 7x7's with flat iron is next cheapest and doubles the weight. Filling the 7x7's with lead again doubles the weight, but it has to be solid, not shot, for this gain, and is the most expensive. We'll probably use concrete and fill every 8x8 on the drill. Now-- add the commodity weight of approximately 20k and you have a heavy piece of equipment. For penetration purposes you need to discount commodity weight because it goes from 20k to near zero every hour or two.
---two seed products. The hopper has a 58b capacity and is fitted with a scale. The two Omni hydraulic seed drives have the capability of working together, or independently, with one or two products at two different rates, and variable across the field, which are controled by the Viper 4 console. We also can disable one drive, and drive both metering rolls through a coupler with one Omni drive. This will allow versatility for seeding cover crops or interseeding a companion crop with a cash crop. One bottom delivers to the front rank of openers, and the other bottom delivers to the back rank of openers. We did not chose to split the drill for the seed as we did for the fert. We seed full width. If only one seed product is being used at any one time, we will probably disable one drive and use a coupler to drive the two bottoms. This lessens calibration time and avoids streaking.
---The Bourgault transmission has infinite variability from ≈5-100%. We chose settings to approximate 5-20-50-100% using a fixed arm for quick and easy adjustment instead of the regular screw adjustment. We will probably only use the 5 or 50% settings, and use the PMW valves on the Omni motors to adjust the rate needed for the particular seed being used. We are using a 180 position encoder mounted on the end of the feed roll to give us the roll speed. A setscrew in the rolls keyway fixes the unit to the shaft. Rolls are easily removed by loosening the setscrew to slip the encoder off, then flipping the spring tension keepers holding the roll bearings in place, then lifting the rolls up and to the rear. All three sets of rolls that will be used with this machine (small seed, medium seed, large seed) have the same sprocket so there is no chain issues involved. The chain on the right side is looped around the seed roll sprocket before the roll is slid into it's run position. The chain on the left side goes under the seed roll sprocket so it rolls across the chain as it is seated into its run position. It will take less than 5 minutes to change out the two rolls. Each roll needs to be calibrated for the particular crop it will seed one time to get a "cal" number. After that, the Viper 4 and the seed hopper scale should be all that is needed for adjusting the seeding rate.
---the drill design includes cylinders mounted on the hitch to tilt the frame fore and aft to change the angle that the wing on the opener blade enters the ground. The wing is normally set with the leading edge at 5 degrees down with the frame parallel to the ground, but it can be run with an angle of 1 degree. This feature doesn't have much meaning for us in the Palouse Hills. The wing angle changes frequently as we drill through dips and valleys associated with our topography. There is one intriguing thought that flits through my mind ----could Raven's Auto Boom be employed to hold the tool bars parallel with the ground?
---the commodity pak (white) is a unit to itself, and can be removed from the main frame. These tanks will likely be replaced in a few years. Each tank has it's separate frame that can be modified for a new unit.
---the main frame axle was designed for some height adjustment. The frame can to lowered a half inch or raised a couple of inches to accommodate minor adjustment for preferred opener height. The spindle capacity is 20k each and the low profile floatation tire has a capacity of around 20k at field speed. This will turn out to be marginal as our weight could get to 50k for fall seeding. We are not expecting any problems. As, with our old drill, we will move the drill with the wings down and under pressure to transfer weight off the main frame axle/tires. The advantage we gained by this low profile tire was the ability to position our air delivery tubes to minimize blockage. I've spent a lot of time fighting that problem with our old drill.
---these drills are heavy. The openers are designed for approximately 1100 pounds each. Disc's, unlike hoes, take a lot of weight to force them into hard ground. The result is that for spring planting they can compact wet soil. We have designed this drill frame to be "relatively" light (≈18k, oops, it came out at 24K) for spring work and then weight it up to about 28k for fall work by adding 7x7 box tubing into the 8x8 frame tubes. We have left all the 8x8's open to receive weight whether it is the main frame or the wings. Filling the 7x7's with concrete is by far the cheapest, but it is also the lightest. Filling and capping the 7x7's with flat iron is next cheapest and doubles the weight. Filling the 7x7's with lead again doubles the weight, but it has to be solid, not shot, for this gain, and is the most expensive. We'll probably use concrete and fill every 8x8 on the drill. Now-- add the commodity weight of approximately 20k and you have a heavy piece of equipment. For penetration purposes you need to discount commodity weight because it goes from 20k to near zero every hour or two.
---two seed products. The hopper has a 58b capacity and is fitted with a scale. The two Omni hydraulic seed drives have the capability of working together, or independently, with one or two products at two different rates, and variable across the field, which are controled by the Viper 4 console. We also can disable one drive, and drive both metering rolls through a coupler with one Omni drive. This will allow versatility for seeding cover crops or interseeding a companion crop with a cash crop. One bottom delivers to the front rank of openers, and the other bottom delivers to the back rank of openers. We did not chose to split the drill for the seed as we did for the fert. We seed full width. If only one seed product is being used at any one time, we will probably disable one drive and use a coupler to drive the two bottoms. This lessens calibration time and avoids streaking.
---The Bourgault transmission has infinite variability from ≈5-100%. We chose settings to approximate 5-20-50-100% using a fixed arm for quick and easy adjustment instead of the regular screw adjustment. We will probably only use the 5 or 50% settings, and use the PMW valves on the Omni motors to adjust the rate needed for the particular seed being used. We are using a 180 position encoder mounted on the end of the feed roll to give us the roll speed. A setscrew in the rolls keyway fixes the unit to the shaft. Rolls are easily removed by loosening the setscrew to slip the encoder off, then flipping the spring tension keepers holding the roll bearings in place, then lifting the rolls up and to the rear. All three sets of rolls that will be used with this machine (small seed, medium seed, large seed) have the same sprocket so there is no chain issues involved. The chain on the right side is looped around the seed roll sprocket before the roll is slid into it's run position. The chain on the left side goes under the seed roll sprocket so it rolls across the chain as it is seated into its run position. It will take less than 5 minutes to change out the two rolls. Each roll needs to be calibrated for the particular crop it will seed one time to get a "cal" number. After that, the Viper 4 and the seed hopper scale should be all that is needed for adjusting the seeding rate.
---The Omni motors are advertised to give infinite variable speed from 0-150rpm, using 0-1.5gpm of oil. From a practical point they become erratic at ≈1rpm. These motors have their own PMW valve to control the oil flow. We hear that 50 is about as low as you want the PMW setting for stable operation of these motors. The max setting for these valves is 253 (giving 100% flow). With our arrangement we could seed the canola at 3#/ac with a PMW setting of 90.
----The down side to this drill, besides the size of the tractor required to pull it, is it's dependence on electronics. If the electronics don't work, this drill is junk. Seed and fertilizer delivery is not mechanically driven.
Pic's showing change in wing wheel location. Pic on the right shows wing wheel inline with main frame wheels which makes for a common pivot point. Pic on the left shows the wing wheel moved forward to center the distance between the front and rear tool bar. This allows the hydraulic cylinders to apply force approximately equal between the front and back toolbar minimizing any twisting of the wing. This wheel position causes more side pressure on the wing wheel when turning because the drill will pivot on the main frame wheel and the wing wheel will have to scoot sideways unless you are careful to pivot around the wing wheel.
Awesome setup, will you get it into use this spring yet? Also, curious as to why you prefer going liquid over anhydrous? Standing by for your updates as always, great job.
ReplyDeleteThank you. Yes, we have seeded over 700acres this spring with it. We are very pleased with the result. Anhydrous scares me.
DeleteWas just reading through your post again and your mention of seeding the peas deeper caught my eye and reminded me of a case study I read (and maybe you have too) . I have exactly zero experience with peas and perhaps you have already had success direct seeding peas at deeper depths in which case forget I brought this up, but these growers experienced that they had better luck going shallower; they talk about it in the seeding strategy section.
ReplyDeletehttp://pnwsteep.wsu.edu/dscases/ext_pubs/pnw0527.pdf
See Update above for discussion on seeding peas.
DeleteDid your cross slot drill come as a kit? I have seen the cross slot drills at farm shows but did not know a person could build their own.
ReplyDeleteI have dedicated another post to this question.
DeleteDid CrossSlot help with the design or did you do everything yourselves?
ReplyDeleteI answered this in the same post as the question above.
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